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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 13, 2010 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-76

Thanks. I'm pretty unsophisticated about sound and usually just click the one that's been downloaded the most (I know, that is shocking ignorance).

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jul 13, 2010 10:20am
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Nah, I usually do that too unless there's an obviously good option, like a Miller or Bertha/Ashley (this one is the latter). Otherwise I tend to pick rather arbitrarily, although I usually listen to a couple different sources and see if I can hear a difference in sound.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 13, 2010 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-76

Yikes ! Spend a minute if there are a bunch of sources . Charlie Miller is my default source , Hunter Seamons does good work as well . It makes a huge difference !

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 13, 2010 12:27pm
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Yeah, I do know to look for Charlie Miller, but those are basically my only two criteria: Either go with Charlie Miller, or the higher number of downloads.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 13, 2010 12:59pm
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go for the latest SBD , if not Miller . I look at review dates , and the number . The show w/ the most reviews may just have been on IA longer , and a show w/ few may be recent upgrade . There are lots of folks here with the passion , and tech. to improve the sound . We are lucky .

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 13, 2010 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-76

Simply assuming that what appears to be the most recent transfer is going to provide the best sound quality is generally a bad idea. There is so much chaff drifting in here nowadays, that a large percentage of it is not an improvement over the existing files, and often the quality is inferior to the existing source(s). For instance, the sirmick.27583.sbeok.shnf is still likely the go to file for 9/20/70...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-09-20.aud.remaster.sirmick.27583.sbeok.shnf

And while Charlie Miller's transfers are extremely reliable, occasionally there are remasters that are sonically superior to his. For example the Bertha/Ashley remasters of a couple of performances from the Europe '72 tour are more brilliant than Charlie's efforts...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-04-14.sbd.ashley-field.34931.sbeok.flac16


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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 13, 2010 3:26pm
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I agree on both counts .
I spend some time when I listen to something in particular . Some shows have many sources . I go through them one by one , on the same song , mid first set . Big River is a great ' tester ' song . For earlier GD usually something in the second set , with tempo . At first I pay attention to the reviews only for sound critiques . I pay attention to things like who it was taped or transferred by ( and when ) , and follow certain folks who have tastes somewhat similar to mine . Charlie Miller is gifted and incredibly prolific . Sometimes his is not the best source for me . It would be too weird if it always was . And finally , it amuses me in some small way when the first , oldest source is the best .
I am unashamed in my obsession .

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 13, 2010 4:38pm
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Where in Connecticut are you?

Want to come shark fishing on Thursday?

We need an angler. Be in Hampton Bays at 6am!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 13, 2010 6:15pm
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Not this Thursday captn' , still gots some money in me pockets , see .
Gonna stay in port here , all comfy cozy with the ladies .
Now I 'm gonna drink , captn' .
Keep my hard weather gear . I'm gonna marry me Sally !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrpz4ZUhZwY&;feature=related

or the studio version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfJZQNF5CDc&;feature=related

Cliff , I am considering it for Sept . I believe dire and jg have kicked it around , as well . Sean

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 14, 2010 5:03am
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Cool, hope you guys make it1

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jul 14, 2010 1:53am
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I'm still hoping somebody tries putting together a matrix for the NFA>Caution from 9/20/70. You out there, Hunter?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 13, 2010 1:10pm
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The logic of this did occur to me, and I realize it is pretty primitive reasoning to go on high numbers alone ...

I can't get too analytical about the Grateful Dead, however; the rest of my world is things I have to analyze and reason about and talk sense about, and somehow, I need this (the music) to be just about listening to things that sound nice, with as little analyzing it as possible. If a lotta deadheads liked it, I figure I'll like it too ...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 13, 2010 2:14pm
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Analysis, reason and sense - words to live by.

Truth be told, I'm probably just winging it for at least half, maybe more, of the time. When it comes to music there are just too many different things I'd like to get under my belt before I die to be worrying over much if one source might be maybe 5 per cent better than another. If I listen and I like it then usually that's good enough for me. I look on people who'll listen to two or more Dead shows a day to make comparisons as some sort of exotic lifeform - fascinating that they exist, but you wouldn't want to be one.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 13, 2010 2:26pm
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You can compare sources pretty quickly, though, just by listening to short snippets of particular songs. Like Micah said, it's just 30 seconds, or maybe a few minutes. I figure if I'm going to save it, I want the nicest source. Listening to the same show fully in different sources, from soup to nuts ... wouldn't you forget what the one sounded like by the time you finished the second? And then, what if there are seven versions?!? That would sure be an infinite loop.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 13, 2010 3:00pm
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I know what you mean. I've been there, done that, myself, listening to this, then that, then another. But so often there's not that much to choose between rival sources. Mostly it comes down to personal preference - do you go for AUDs like Jim Glynn, or matrices like SDH, or SBDs like Cliff (and me)? I'm more likely to be looking for new things to listen to rather than new ways to hear what I've heard before.

And really it's only the Grateful Dead for which we have this luxury of choice - if I want a Greensky Bluegrass, a Jackie Greene, or a Bruce Hornsby show for example I'm mostly going to be glad for what I get.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 13, 2010 1:17pm
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That's a good system for what you need .
Deb has a similar approach . It drives me nuts . I'm , like , it's 30 seconds of your time to find the right source, if that . She rolls her eyes at me and I get the ' whatever ' attitude . Gender diff. ?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 13, 2010 2:03pm
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Not a gender difference. I compare sources ... not always, but when I have the time or am going to download. I read reviews for clues ("too much bass" usually means that's the right pick for me, LOL!) and sometimes find I've liked a source with zero reviews and few downloads. Ya never know. But I definitely don't know the intricacies of "good sound" or understand the techie speak, other than knowing some names to check for, like Charlie Miller, and what sounds good to me personally ...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 13, 2010 1:25pm
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Honestly, I don't think it's gender differences. I have a job that is all all order and logic and systems and reasoning. (Though you wouldn't know it the past couple of days as I am completely screwing off.) The rest of my life is also pretty complicated at the moment.

I just need some things that are fun and relaxing, that's all. I get confused and just want to listen to the music play ...